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I finished the book a little before seven on the morning of the 16th. I paid for it at 12:03, but didn't start reading till around 12:45 or so. Discussed the first few chapters as we read, but then once we got into the storyline, just read.. and read.

Overall, I think HBP moved up to second favorite, HP books-wise. My list now goes: 3,6,5,4,2,1. So basically each book as gotten better.. but 3 just still stands out in my mind. As a happy year. As I've said recently, I would love to read about years at Hogwarts without the worries of the dark side.



Thoughts, theories, and questions

1)The locket with the note signed by R.A.B. was likely Regulus Black
2)It is likely the same locket that was found in Ootp while cleaning Grimmauld Place. Hopefully it is still there, and Mundungus didn't sell it
3) Thoughts on Dumbly/Snape: Dumbledore was going to die anyway. The potion was making him weaker and weaker. R.A.B (who I assume to be Regulus Black) took the potion and left the note in the locket, saying he knew he would be dead by the time Voldie read it. We can assume the potion eventually killed him, and therefore, it would have eventually weakened Dumbledore to the point of death.

Dumbledore didn't want Draco to become a killer. And Draco, faced with the idea of actually murdering Dumbledore, was shaking in his shoes. Dumbledore was pleading with Snape-- I don't think it means he was pleading with him not to kill-- but actually to kill him. This lets Snape fulfill his unbreakable vow, stay on good terms with the Death Eaters (who I believe he is still going to spy on, and who will give him major props for doing something Voldemort never even tried to do, kill Dumbledore). Dumbledore has been getting old. He knows that, why else would he be taking the time and trouble to show Harry his thoughts, and pass on his work with the Horcruxes? With Dumbledore going to die that night anyway, plus the fact that he always trusted Snape, it really fits. Theres no possible way that two accomplished legilimens could have looked at eachother for that minute and not been discussing. I think the look of hatred on Snape's face was being upset at the situation of Dumbledore asking him to kill him. Harry needed convincing at the end of the book to do exactly what Dumbledore told him to do. But Snape, who has been given Dumbedore's trust undoubtedly for so many years... well Snape took Dumbledore's words as law, and did exactly what he asked.

The problem arises now that no characters will understand this. Snape obviously can continue acting as a double agent of sorts and spying on the death eaters, but there's no way that after killing Dumbledore that he'd a) be let back into the order b)he's ever going to get to be a teacher at Hogwarts again.

Not that this lets Snape off the hook. I'm incredibly pissed that Snape gave away Harry's parents.
4)Harry could be a possible Horcrux, even though Voldemort didn't actually kill him. The intent was enough for the Horcrux. This opens up a "tragic hero/self sacrifice" idea when Harry has to possibly kill himself to get rid of the last of Voldemort.
5) Tonks's patronus: Padfoot because of her sadness over the loss of her cousin? Or Werewolf!Lupin, given her love for him?
6)Can you look in a dead person's pensieve? That is, can harry look through Dumbledore's memories? I know Dumbly had to capture the memories of other people before they died (Hokey, etc), but if they are already in the pensieve, can Harry just look at them? Also, how exactly does it work? It's not the person's memory, I think perhaps the memories are the memories of the time, but not specifically the exact memory of the person. For instance, even though it was Snapes memory in OotP, Harry followed the Marauders and found out what they were saying, even though Snape couldn't hear.
7)Why was Bellatrix teaching Draco Occlumency? To stand up to Voldie? Dumbledore? Snape?
8)Did Merope attend Hogwarts?
9)What now happens to the Order of the Phoenix secret-keeping? Does it automatically transfer to someone else? Or is no one new allowed to know where it is?

Random other thoughts on the book

1) Glad Fleur didn't leave Bill. Impressed that her first thought was that the Weasleys would think that Bill wouldn't love her anymore, instead of the other way around. I have much more respect for her now.
2) Couplage: Ron and Hermione.. Glad they will be getting together in the next book instead of this one. It gives them less time to break up. Ron/Lavendar and Hermione/Cormac were done simply to make the other one jealous/mad. Tonks and Lupin: Awwww! Not expected but so cute! Harry and Ginny: Amazing that it finally happened, though I think Dean was definitely a catalyst in getting them together, by getting Harry to realize he liked Ginny. Am sad that Ginny didn't stubbornly say she would stay by his side, but understand why Harry had to break up with her.
3)Never realized until just now, with a typo, how close "hermione" is to "heroine."
4)Bob Ogden and Tiberius Ogden.. related? Which is the one known for firewhiskey?
5)Slightly amused and slightly upset about Dumbledore's constant narcissism about how smart/clever he is.
6)Mollywobbles. Nuff said.


Comments

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simplykimberly
Jul. 17th, 2005 10:51 am (UTC)
And you can't forget the biggest laugh in the book (to me, anyway) ... You-No-Poo ....

Oh Fred and George, I do so love you both! *lol*

Also, I wouldn't put it past Dumbledore to have left some lasting protection for both Draco, and Hogwarts, in his final act - much like Lily did for Harry.

I think it will be love that is what will have turned out to convinced Dumbledore about Snape, in the end. And he'll have been right. Also - Draco clearly has his mother's love ... he knows love, and it's why he couldn't do it.

SSOOOOOOO many more thoughts, but those are a few :)

You-no-poo ...oh lordie!
supernaturalhel
Jul. 17th, 2005 10:56 am (UTC)
ahh Fred and George, it was really great to see them doing so well, brought a tear to my eye to see that the Weasleys are earning some well deserved cash.
You-no-poo was just genius.
supernaturalhel
Jul. 17th, 2005 10:54 am (UTC)
I loved the HBP too, I've read quite a few reviews of people thinking it's slow and boring, but I found it anything but.

You have some really coherent thoughts here- great to read through, I posted mine at my LJ yesterday, and we share some similar thoughts. Though I didn't post about the RAB thought, but I had the same initial reaction as you did, I believe that this is how Sirius's brother died. But I was quite angry that Dumbledore weakened himself for nothing.

Draco pissed me off too. People say that he can redeem himself, but I'm not too sure- he's too weak willed, wants to be the Big I AM, though I dont think Voldie will look to kindly on Snape doing his dirty work for him- though that will probably secure Snapes standing in Voldies cirle of trust. Great catch on the Leglimens convo that we weren't invited into hear- but yes, I can definately agree with that.

As for Tonks patrionus- I'm pretty sure it was Lupins Wolf, not Sirius- I dont think Tonks was all that close to Sirius- yeah she'd be upset at his death- but not enough to transform her patrionus. But I guess at the mo, this is all ambiguous.
magalamb
Jul. 17th, 2005 11:17 am (UTC)
The locket with the note signed by R.A.B. was likely Regulus Black

It ptobably is- a lot of other people (including me) had the same exact thought.
glazomaniac
Jul. 17th, 2005 11:20 am (UTC)
other relationship:

the woman who riddle got the cup & pendant from was a smith, & related to hufflepuff--zacharias smith's aunt or sommat?
thisgirliknow
Jul. 17th, 2005 11:26 am (UTC)
ooh. I like the way you think :)

Sucks that Zacharias is an ass, otherwise it would be a nice connection for harry -> horcrux

I wonder also if Hermione IS related to the Granger that Slughorn asks her about. Maybe somewhere back in her family there was a squib who went to live as a muggle or something?
housesteppa
Jul. 17th, 2005 12:08 pm (UTC)
4)Harry could be a possible Horcrux, even though Voldemort didn't actually kill him. The intent was enough for the Horcrux. This opens up a "tragic hero/self sacrifice" idea when Harry has to possibly kill himself to get rid of the last of Voldemort.

he is not one of them. dumbledore named all of the horcruxes.
thisgirliknow
Jul. 17th, 2005 12:14 pm (UTC)
Uh.. Dumbledore doesn't KNOW them. He was guessing. True that his guesses tend to be right, but its not 100%. No one knows anything for sure except the piece inside Voldemort, the diary, the ring, and the locket. That leaves two possible horcruxes from the Smith lady descended from Hufflepuff, and then another one left, that could possibly be in Nagini, but as Dumbledore said, people don't generally put horcruxes in animals. But if they did, I think it would be just as likely that one was in Harry himself.
lizblizz
Jul. 17th, 2005 05:04 pm (UTC)
My book order is roughly the same...

3,6,4,5,2,1.

Three stands out to me because of Sirius. It was the first time Harry got a real feel good moment, and I think for that it will always be my fave.
boomtownrat
Jul. 17th, 2005 06:43 pm (UTC)
I agree with so many things you've said here. On the subject of Harry being a Horcrux, I just wrote this in my own LJ:

I remember that committing murder is necessary in order to create a Horcrux, but when you think about it, Voldemort had just committed at least two murders just before trying to kill Harry that night. Since Harry would've been treated as an object at that point [1], it wouldn't have mattered that Voldemort did not succeed in killing him. Furthermore, he did try to kill Harry, and would have succeeded if not for Lily's protection.
...

[1] Trelawney even referred to Harry as an Object when she talked about how much she missed having him in her classes! She didn't mean it in the same way, but I wonder if this wasn't a clue...
opsat
Jul. 20th, 2005 10:28 pm (UTC)
Hi! Just wanted to comment on two things:

(1) Dumbledore's memories. I wonder if there's a stash of Dumbledore's memories somewhere. You know maybe he kept boxes of little bottles of silvery stuff which are actually his memories. Hehe. It would certainly be very helpful.
I think it's more than just someone's memory. It's what's happening in the area where the person was at the time. One just has to make sure the person who's memory it is, is in range.

(2) The Order's secret-keeping. I was thinking about that. Hmm... Who cast the spell anyway, I wonder? Was it Dumbledore himself? If it was him, then maybe just like what happened with his freezing charm on Harry, it will be have been lifted when he died. And so, the location of HQ (and whatever else was being kept secret thru the charm) will not be secret anymore. Someone would have to perform another Fidelius again.
paintedponyxox
Jul. 23rd, 2005 01:50 am (UTC)
Yay, finally somebody else who likes Lupin/Tonks. People have been so mercilessly bashing about that. I thin it's downright adorable.
And yeah, I think it's pretty certain that her Patronus is a wolf. Now that I think back on the earlier parts on the book, that was really mean for Snape to give her a hard time about her Patronus when he saw her at the gate. What I'm curious to know is if her Patronus is just going to stay that way now or if we'll find out what it originally was.
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