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Guiliani vs. Clinton.


go!

(I would particularly like to hear from Guiliani supporters, especially those who identify themselves as independents, swing voters, and democrats)
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Select Smart has a "compare" feature, but you can't really see issues side by side. I want a table with a checklist. If one doesn't exist... I'll make one.
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A test on the same site gave me these results for "who I should vote for." OBAMA FTW.

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Dennis Kucinich (65%)
3. Barack Obama (62%)
4. Christopher Dodd (61%)
5. Hillary Clinton (60%)

6. Joseph Biden (60%)
7. Mike Gravel (59%)
8. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (58%)
9. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (58%)
10. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (57%)
11. Al Gore (not announced) (57%)
12. John Edwards (50%)
13. Ron Paul (48%)
14. Bill Richardson (45%)
15. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended) (41%)
16. John McCain (30%)
17. Elaine Brown (29%)
18. Rudolph Giuliani (28%)
19. Chuck Hagel (not running) (26%)
20. Newt Gingrich (not announced) (25%)
21. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn) (22%)
22. Sam Brownback (21%)
23. Mike Huckabee (19%)
24. Mitt Romney (18%)
25. Tom Tancredo (16%)
26. Fred Thompson (15%)
27. Duncan Hunter (14%)
28. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (13%)


Yes, Kucinich. I love you. I will always. But you're never going to win. You're too short.

Comments

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satellitewish
Sep. 26th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
Both seem like they're trying to act a lot more like douchebags than they really are in an effort to gain Republican votes.
kolibri
Sep. 26th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
it's still a neat widget. now I can edjumakate myself.
tevarin
Sep. 26th, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
I got:

1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Barack Obama (74%)
3. Christopher Dodd (72%)
4. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (72%)
5. Dennis Kucinich (72%)
6. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (71%)
7. Joseph Biden (68%)
8. Hillary Clinton (67%)
9. Al Gore (not announced) (66%)
10. Wesley Clark (not running) (65%)
11. Bill Richardson (65%)
12. Mike Gravel (61%)
13. John Edwards (60%)
14. Kent McManigal (58%)
15. Ron Paul (57%)
16. John McCain (43%)
17. Chuck Hagel (not running) (39%)
18. Rudolph Giuliani (33%)
19. Mitt Romney (30%)
20. Tommy Thompson (withdrawn) (29%)
21. Newt Gingrich (not announced) (28%)
22. Mike Huckabee (27%)
23. Sam Brownback (27%)
25. Elaine Brown (25%)
26. Tom Tancredo (14%)
27. Duncan Hunter (14%)
28. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (13%)
thisgirliknow
Sep. 26th, 2007 04:58 pm (UTC)
OBAMA, FTW!
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tevarin
Sep. 26th, 2007 05:06 pm (UTC)
Interesting that your Obama and Hillary scores are so close. Does that mean you differentiate between them based on personal characteristics rather than stated positions?

Both Hillary and Giuliani are too authoritarian for my taste, but Giuliani is much worse. He badly screwed up on security in NYC (putting his disaster command bunker in the world trade center, not buying good radios for the cops and firemen) and advocates all kinds of restrictions on civic liberties and freedom based on fearmongering for another terrorist attack. I wouldn't award him any prizes as a loyal husband or father, either.

thisgirliknow
Sep. 26th, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)
Paragraph 1 - exactly. I do not like Hillary as a person as much as I like Obama as a person. Not nearly. I also think Obama expresses his views in a better manner, is a better speaker, and didn't steal my husband.
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negativeneve
Sep. 26th, 2007 07:04 pm (UTC)
I don't like Guilani's stance on Iraq; however, I can understand where he's coming from seeing that his city was attacked by terrorists (though, Iraq had NOTHING to do with that attack). I really dislike his support for Bush. Ugh.

I like Clinton's stance on universal health care. I think it's in everyone's best interest to have health care given across the board. I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes for it. I have to pay a high premium anyways. But, for some reason, I just don't like her. I get a bad vibe from her.
subjectivity
Sep. 27th, 2007 12:37 am (UTC)
why do so many women dislike her?

I really don't get it.

You should read her autobiography, Living History.
chapstickqueen
Sep. 26th, 2007 09:04 pm (UTC)
Yes, Kucinich. I love you. I will always. But you're never going to win. You're too short.



This is why I'm voting for Kucinich in the primary, it's the right time to vote for who you WANT to win.
thisgirliknow
Sep. 27th, 2007 12:40 pm (UTC)
I would like him to win, but he won't. Two thoughts on this:

1) If I vote for Kucinich and not for Obama, that's a vote away from Obama, and Hillary may win the primary.

2) Suppose the Democrats go crazy and vote for Kucinich. He doesn't stand a chance against whoever the Repubs decide on. He'd get destroyed.
chapstickqueen
Sep. 26th, 2007 09:57 pm (UTC)
1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Dennis Kucinich (91%) Information link
3. Joseph Biden (77%) Information link
4. Barack Obama (76%) Information link
5. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (75%) Information link
6. Hillary Clinton (74%) Information link
7. John Edwards (73%) Information link
8. Christopher Dodd (71%) Information link
9. Mike Gravel (68%) Information link
10. Michael Bloomberg (says he will not run) (67%) Information link
subjectivity
Sep. 27th, 2007 12:35 am (UTC)
that's really interesting that your scores are all in the 60s. I got rankings of 81-89% for my top six. It says I should vote for Biden, by the way. Obama was slightly higher than Hillary. It's not that I dislike Obama, I just trust Hillary more. I think this measurement tool could be improved by adding more questions on personality or characteristics, but it's good if you want to look at only the (standard) issues.

It doesn't measure who you think will make the best decision using the best information at hand.
clarinetjet
Sep. 27th, 2007 12:42 am (UTC)
Little background: I'm a Giuliani supporter, and a registered Democrat. I also don't claim to know a whole lot about the candidates yet, I know I have a couple more months. I'm mostly a moderate and detest both liberal and conservative extremists. Also, I tend to be conservative fiscally and liberal socially.

Why Giuliani? His views are the same as mine on some of the big issues (abortion, death penalty) as well as some of the issues that sit close to me (stem cell research, civil unions). I know how he will react under pressure, and how he cleaned up New York City. I can't stand Hillary and I think there are too many questions with Obama. Obama will get my vote in the primary though (not that it will count for anything now...). I will say I don't agree with his Iraq and Patriot Act stances, as well as not necessarily caring for him as a person (as someone else noted).

As I said, I'm not terribly educated on most of the candidates, Giuliani included. I don't think he's going to make it out of the Republican primary though, so I'm not really sweating it yet. And I hate discussing politics.

And here's my list:
1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Al Gore (not announced) (60%)
3. Ron Paul (59%)
4. John Edwards (58%)
5. Barack Obama (58%)
6. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended)(53%)
7. Dennis Kucinich (51%)
8. Rudolph Giuliani (50%)
9. Hillary Clinton (50%)
10. Joseph Biden (48%)
11. Kent McManigal (campaign suspended)(48%)
12. Wesley Clark (47%)
13. Christopher Dodd (46%)
14. John McCain (44%)
15. Mike Gravel (41%)
16. Newt Gingrich (not announced) (39%)
17. Fred Thompson (38%)
18. Bill Richardson (38%)
19. Tom Tancredo (37%)
20. Duncan Hunter (37%)
21. Jim Gilmore (withdrawn) (35%)
22. Chuck Hagel (not running) (34%)
23. Mitt Romney (34%)
24. Mike Huckabee (31%)
25. Michael Bloomberg (28%)
26. Sam Brownback (27%)
27. Tommy Thompson (26%)
28. Elaine Brown (22%)
spf8
Sep. 27th, 2007 04:18 am (UTC)
heh. brace yourself.


1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Duncan Hunter (80%)
3. Tom Tancredo (76%)
4. Mitt Romney (75%)
5. Chuck Hagel (not running) (73%)
6. Newt Gingrich (not announced) (71%)
7. Sam Brownback (71%)
8. Fred Thompson (68%)
9. John McCain (67%)
10. Rudolph Giuliani (59%)

Hillary was 20, and Barak was 24.

Ron Paul would be the ideal candidate for me--on EVERYTHING he stands for--except for his position on withdrawing troops. We just cannot do that right now. And that's why it's sad--because he's very Libertarian, obviously, and one of the issues that I'm very Republican on is the war and our national defense. And that's also one of the issues that is the most important to me (along with tax reform, welfare reform, and social security reform).

I already know I'm voting for Fred Thompson. I'm surprised he was so low on my list. I expected him to be 2 or 3.
tevarin
Sep. 27th, 2007 08:21 am (UTC)
I like Ron Paul more than any of the other Republican candidates (he scored over 50% for me). I'm glad he opposed the Patriot Act, and his overall Libertarian bent. His financial policies seem a little wacky.

Tom Tancredo, the guy who claimed in debate that he doesn't think evolution is real? Urgh.



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silicon_jesus
Sep. 27th, 2007 11:27 pm (UTC)
I like Guilani. I am curious about Thompson. Dislike the rest of the Republicans. Briefly, I thought about Hillary, but then went back to my original views on her. Obama and Dean are vying for my support on the Dems side currently.
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