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not kidding about the goat

One of the reasons that I said "I want to buy a house!" was so I could get a goat. It's been sort of an ongoing joke for many years now that I've always wanted to have a pygmy goat. My homeowners restrictive covenant doesn't allow for it, but would they know/care?

PROS:
Goats are supercute
friend for Padfoot
conversation piece
awesome friend/pet
goat cheese. oh baby. only if it's pregnant or has a kid. no thanks.

CONS:
I have never ever taken care of a goat or any other livestock
goats chew things. I think.
cost of food?

I'm dead serious and I want opinions.

This page mentions that you should get two so they have a friend. I wonder if Padfoot counts as a friend, or if dogs/goats don't speak the same language, so they can't hang.

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markitup
May. 3rd, 2007 01:03 pm (UTC)
goats are kinda hit or miss... they can be really sweet and cute or they can be really aggressive and mean.

they do eat the shit our of any and everything.

my grand parents use to have a farm and during the summer my sister and i would feed the hogs and goats... hogs were ok as long as we didn't fall into the pin... goats however... not so much fun.

they hurt when they head butt you or kick you and they seemingly do this for no reason. also they are fast have good shoes in case you need to catch it, lol.

good luck with that!!
thisgirliknow
May. 3rd, 2007 01:06 pm (UTC)
I would have to get the horns removed. Pretty much every site says to do that. I don't think I want a boy anyway, because apparently they tend to be aggressive.

If there's food in my backyard, and grass and stuff, are they still going to try to chew on.. like.. my air conditioning big silver maching thing?
markitup
May. 3rd, 2007 01:45 pm (UTC)
not so much with the metal things if you feed it but... count the grass a loss in some places, lol.

i have a face book thing, i just don't know how to use it.
lasunshine
May. 3rd, 2007 01:29 pm (UTC)
You should check the local town laws to see if you are allowed to have them.

Kelly@ work had 2 fainting goats and her neighbors complained because they would bleet at 4am. They went to a farm.
thisgirliknow
May. 3rd, 2007 02:26 pm (UTC)
I'm not allowed to have one according to my neighborhood restrictive covenants.

silly bleeting. Didn't think about that.
ewsnwfl
May. 4th, 2007 04:27 pm (UTC)
If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
You probably don't want to try to hide it. HOA's have a nasty tendancy to sue and in some cases take your home from you over such silliness. All depends on whether you want to fight it. Then again, if it is written into the restrictive covenants that you cannot own livestock (they will consider even a Pygmy Goat livestock), then you will have a very difficult time getting a judge or even a jury to side with you. That is my professional opinion based on personal experience with HOA's. Good luck with the new home!
thisgirliknow
May. 4th, 2007 04:34 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
Thanks!

I've pretty much decided to not get a goat at this point. I don't have a home owners association, so unless the goat was annoying the neighbors, I don't think I'd have an issue-- but it's better to be safe than sorry. Also, I'd feel badly about the goat not being able to hang out with other goats, worrying if my care was enough, etc.

How forceful can the covenants be? Another thing the document mentions is that I cannot have a sign more than 5' x 5', and then it can only be to say "for rent" or "for sale" -- are they really telling me that I can't put a sign in my yard endorsing a political candidate?

ewsnwfl
May. 4th, 2007 07:41 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
Okay, now I am a bit confused here. If there is no Homeowner's Association, who is enforcing the covenants and restrictions? Is this a new development where the developer is still calling the shots? As for the sign, if you put the typical temporary wire standard with corrugated sign in your yard, not even the most restrictive covenants will stop you from that. What they mean is no "neon sign with flashing lights" saying buy your AVON here, etc. etc.

If there is not an HOA and the developer has released control of the C&R, then buy a couple of goats. The C&R aren't worth the paper printed on them if there is no entity to enforce them. Just remember, critters like that really cut into your mobility. You have to make sure someone very trustworthy comes to feed and care for them every day. Animal neglect and cruelty are getting a great deal of publicity lately, and rightly so. Good luck, I hope I helped.
thisgirliknow
May. 4th, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
I'm not going to get goats. After a lot of researching I've found that I'd rather just visit them at Wild Adventures. I may get another dog so Padfoot is less lonely, but we'll see.

I am going to upload my restrictive covenants document. I know that I don't have Homeowner's Association. Does that fact that this is a private street matter?



ewsnwfl
May. 4th, 2007 08:08 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
Private street only matters when it needs to be fixed. You and your neighbors get to foot the bill versus the other taxpayers. Which, if there is no HOA, will be difficult. Who lets out the bid? Who collects the money (same entity who lets out and accepts the bid), etc. Are houses still being built in this neighborhood?
thisgirliknow
May. 4th, 2007 08:13 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
No more houses will be built, for sure. This is just one short street (google maps: 2214 Mandrell Ct 32303)

My street (according to my future friendly neighbor) has petitioned for Leon County to fix a pothole and to add speedhumps on the street our road is off of, and they got it done.

I'm not sure what you mean by bid.
ewsnwfl
May. 4th, 2007 09:00 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
aha! We have a new ballgame, then. I would now say that most likely, the County has annexed your subdivision's road. This would alleviate your having to pay anything for the repairs. COOL! This makes me think the C&R are "old news", and if there is not a current and active HOA, as long as your neighbors don't complain, what goes on in your yard is your business...at least until the cops come! LOL!
thisgirliknow
May. 4th, 2007 07:53 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
http://www.badongo.com/file/2950614

If I can prove that the goat is a household pet I think I'd be okay, as long as I could prove it wasn't for commercial purposes.
subjectivity
May. 4th, 2007 08:17 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
Interesting. Those covenants expire in 2012. I think you are right that the goat would be okay legally if it is a household pet. But people might get upset anyway.
If there is no HOA, who would collect the assessments if they are needed?
thisgirliknow
May. 4th, 2007 08:25 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
It still specifically says no livestock, so I'm not entirely sure I would be okay. It'd be nice to know, but I don't plan on getting a goat. Not in the near future anyway.

I have no idea about who would collect the assessments. The document doesn't mention anything regarding that.

Thank you for all of your help, Mr. Sweeney!
ewsnwfl
May. 4th, 2007 08:29 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
Good luck with that...I believe the only people who would agree are goat owners. Anyway, as I was researching this, I noted that on the C&R you uploaded, it refers to the subdivision as having 15 lots. The Leon County Property Appraiser site lists about 24. I am thinking there has been an addition subsequent to the publication of these documents. You may want to check with the Title company or your Agent to see if there was an amended set. It also says the "owner" is a company called Realty Financial Services. Look them up in the phone book and give them a call. Since the C&R are dated 1981, it could be that all of this is way out of date, and no longer in effect. Get your agent to bird-dog this if you don't have the time. Have you "closed" on the house yet?
thisgirliknow
May. 4th, 2007 08:32 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
I close on May 21st. I will definitely have my agent check this out. Thanks again, I really appreciate it!
ewsnwfl
May. 4th, 2007 08:56 pm (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
Don't mean to "stir the pot". I just don't like to see people get burned because they didn't have the latest info. If any of this came up after you closed, then you would have to completely comply. Even more important than the critter issue, is who owns the street? You need to know who pays to fix the road, etc. Good luck!
thisgirliknow
May. 11th, 2007 01:10 am (UTC)
Re: If the restrictive covenants specifically say no...
The title company just got back to me, the restrictive covenants have not changed.
kolibri
May. 3rd, 2007 04:38 pm (UTC)
talk to Clayton about it - his family had goats when they were kids (ha ha).
thisgirliknow
May. 3rd, 2007 05:02 pm (UTC)
kids... You're so punny.

I will. thanks!
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