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Barack Obama

Anyone know of any Tallahassee groups working to support his run for President?

I am like totally, fully, 100% backing this guy.

(You are completely welcome to tell me why I shouldn't; in fact I'd appreciate it)

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There is a chasm in Christianity

yes
10(100.0%)
no
0(0.0%)

It's between the crazies and the non crazies

yes
7(70.0%)
no
3(30.0%)

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enjoynathaniel
Feb. 19th, 2007 05:55 pm (UTC)
'between the crazies and non crazies'
They are all fucking crazy.
thisgirliknow
Feb. 19th, 2007 05:56 pm (UTC)
Re: 'between the crazies and non crazies'
one might think that. many do, and would be mostly right.

but there are a few non-crazies. Like Obama. And this guy Bob I work with.

Other than that, yeah, all crazy
thisgirliknow
Feb. 19th, 2007 06:13 pm (UTC)
Re: 'between the crazies and non crazies'
wherein lies the chasm?
tevarin
Feb. 20th, 2007 04:28 pm (UTC)
Re: 'between the crazies and non crazies'
Hm.. I'd say the chasm is between

Those who want to legally force everyone to follow their religion's rules (creationism in the classroom, anti-gay ordinances, etc.)

and those who are willing to either persuade by example and discussion, or to live and let live.

Re: 'between the crazies and non crazies' - tevarin - Feb. 20th, 2007 09:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
subjectivity
Feb. 19th, 2007 06:28 pm (UTC)
why do you like him so much?

I agree that he's charming, and I haven't heard _much_ about him that I don't like (except for the smoking, and maybe some smart-aleckiness), but I don't see what would make him a better president than Hillary. She's practical, experienced, and smart, and she has the right priorities (at least, the same ones as me). She's also older than Obama, has put in a lot of years devoted to her country, and has been all around the world and knows how it works and how to do diplomacy. I'd highly recommend reading her biography, Living History.

It seems to me that a lot of people dislike her for reasons they don't really understand, and I really don't get it. ??? It seems a lot like sexism to me. I'm not saying YOU'RE sexist, I'm just curious why you prefer him to her. I might eventually support him if he gives me good reasons why, but so far I don't see why get on the bandwagon when we already have a great candidate.
thebohomama
Feb. 19th, 2007 07:43 pm (UTC)
Hillary isn't showing me much hope for change in the current system. Obama isn't afraid to ride the campaign that Washington is completely fucked, and priorities need to be shifted. I see Hillary as a great politician, and I think she works the lower level position the best. Obama seems to me more of a man for every person, someone new that everyone can relate to and have faith in. I can see conservatives liking Obama and giving him a chance. He plays his cards right on some key issues, such as gay marriage/civil unions, and is definitely a man who, to me, seems to want to unify America again and bring back some dignity to our country. I just can't get excited about Hillary. It's the same old same old, and I just feel like she isn't going to be a person to unite America, but more likely to keep them split. America needs a brand new shining face. That's why I'M for Obama.
masterwolf
Feb. 19th, 2007 09:29 pm (UTC)
Sadly, I worry that the Obama/Clinton divide may lose us the election.
thebohomama
Feb. 19th, 2007 11:09 pm (UTC)
Doubtful. Depending on what shmuck the Repubs can dig up in the end, I highly doubt you are going to see a huge shift of support for the Republicans this election. After the primaries the party will solidify. I would vote for Hillary if she was my only option, but for now, I'm all for Obama. He's hardly a third party candidate stealing votes (which is what I think has lost us elections in the past, too many people voting for the Naders and Perots of the world, who would without the option vote for the democratic candidate).
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thisgirliknow
Feb. 20th, 2007 01:38 pm (UTC)
Well, it's not like everyone gets to vote right now on all the candidates. One (or both, I suppose) will be weeded out in the primaries. After we choose one democratic candidate to back, I think the Obama and Clinton supporters will unite.
subjectivity
Feb. 20th, 2007 06:08 pm (UTC)
I may be more cynical but I don't think America is going to unite on a candidate. I do see what you're saying about a "bright shiny new face," but it seems to me America needs to go with something tried and trusted right now. Someone who can bring us back to a safe place, and I believe she can do that. As a bonus, she does seem to have united New Yorkers somewhat, as even Republicans approve of the job she is doing as a senator.
(no subject) - thisgirliknow - Feb. 20th, 2007 09:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
thisgirliknow
Feb. 20th, 2007 02:04 pm (UTC)
Like Candi said, right now America needs a new face to not be able to change America and fix what's wrong. He's not going to sugar-coat our situation, he wants to FIX it.

"It's time to admit that no amount of American lives can resolve the political disagreement that lies at the heart of someone else's civil war. " (from his speech accouncing his candidacy.


it's not that Hillary isn't a good candidate. She's a great candidate, and if there's a point where Obama is no longer involved in the race, I would put 90% of my support behind her. I don't think that her "years of experience" are bringing much to the table because she isn't truly getting anything done.

And I am sexist, at least in this situation. Hilary is a woman who stayed with her husband during and insanely public affair to further her own career.
thebohomama
Feb. 20th, 2007 03:02 pm (UTC)
"Hilary is a woman who stayed with her husband during and insanely public affair to further her own career."

Right on. Not to say that cheaters can't change or be forgiven, but come on. That's the furthest from my mind of what a "strong" female candidate, someone now thought of as a symbol of feminism, should have done. She rode his coat tales and is a politician through and through--- unfortunately I think the biggest problem in Washington is too many politicians and not enough problem solvers in action.
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subjectivity
Feb. 20th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
and this is Hillary's main hurdle: women judging her for her personal life. Come on! You have no idea why she stuck with him. She loves him. Many women do stand by their husbands. She'd be judged if she left him too. I really don't see how this is a stain on her character, and it's WAY more harshly than you judged Bill Clinton. Is that fair? And if that did play a small part in her decision, so what? A middle-aged woman told me recently she didn't like Hillary because she's too "ambitious" and that sounds like what you are saying too. G-d forbid a woman make a life decision that happens to help her career. Which may or may not even be true.
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tevarin
Feb. 20th, 2007 05:06 pm (UTC)
I'm not a big fan of Hillary or Obama. In Hillary's case, I like her politics reasonably well, but I think nominating her would be bad political strategy. Republicans hate her more than anyone else on the Democratic side, and even the Republican moderates, sick of Bush and willing to consider alternatives, would turn out in droves to oppose her.

Obama gives good speeches, and has an inspiring personal story, but I feel like hasn't really been tested yet. I think the primary will be a good chance to see if he can run a national campaign, check if he has any nasty surprises in his background, etc. If he can get through all that, I'd definitely consider voting for him.

In general, I want to wait and see how the primaries go. Maybe Hillary or Obama will self-destruct. Maybe someone unexpected will pop up. After the horrors of the Bush years, I can't imagine voting for any Republican over any Democrat in '08, but I'll hold off for now on which specific Democrat most deserves the win.
thisgirliknow
Feb. 20th, 2007 05:15 pm (UTC)
you have absolutely nothing against Obama in that comment. why not a fan?
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